I forgot all about the avatar. I was happy to see it. I thought we should start out right and go to the general discussion area.
I am not a big Lieberman fan. Obviously you know how I feel about the war and I really did not appreciate his supporting it. I have always liked is stance on Israel. I had a hard time voting for Lamont though because he is really a one issue candidate. I am also not a Bush fan, but running on an anti-anybody platform is not the way to prove yourself.
I am guessing we are in agreement on this Lieberman/Lamont issue. I would guess you are fan of Joe, but maybe not.
How about the recent Israel conflict? How do you feel about how it was handled? I thought Israel agreed to a cease fire too soon and I wonder why. I hope they know something I do not and I hope it is not something scary."I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." --George W. Bush
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Re:Lamont/Lieberman - 2006/08/17 21:52micpi,
I am a Lieberman fan and have voted for him since I moved to Connecticut. He is a middle-of-the-road politician that takes a stand on issues and sticks to his guns.
Lamont? Well I think his ad where the kids kept inferring that he is a self-made man says it all. Lamont is from old money - self-made nothing. He grew up in a priveleged world. He was always surrounded by wealth and power. Look at the fact he quit his country club - after being a member for 16 years - when someone from his campaign pointed out that it really was not a "equal-opportunity" kind of place. What - did he all of a sudden get a conscious? Or did he do it for appearance sake? Pretty obvious what the answer is. He is a single issue candidate no matter what he says - and the issue is not the war - it is "I don't like Bush so vote for me."
Israel should stay in place until Hezbollah is disarmed. The UN resolution specifically states :
3. Emphasises the importance of the extension of the control of the government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory in accordance with the provisions of resolution 1559 (2004) and resolution 1680 (2006), and of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, for it to exercise its full sovereignty, so that there will be no weapons without the consent of the government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the government of Lebanon;
1. Reaffirms its call for the strict respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and political independence of Lebanon under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon throughout Lebanon; 2. Calls upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon; 3. Calls for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non- Lebanese militias;
So no matter what Lebanon says, the UN has ordered that Hezbollah be disarmed. Of course the UN is basically powerless to enforce the issue. But with reports of Iran and Syria trying to rearm Hezbollah, Israel should plant itself where it is.___________________ Talk atya L8r,
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Re:Lamont/Lieberman - 2006/08/21 22:16Good thread Micpi. My $0.02:
Mr. Lamont is not qualified for the job. The Senate is the "upper" house of our congress and needs the most qualified people to be effective. Mr. Lamont has no experience for the job. He sounds like his campaign is being run by Burger King: "We are good because they s**k".
Regarding Hezbollah, I think Specter hit the nail squarely but I would add a few points:
1) Hezbollah fired over 4000 rockets into a foreign country without regard to where they were landing (they even killed some Muslims) and the call was for a "proportional response". What will a "proportional response" do except prolong the conflict? The ancient Chinese believed that the most humane war was the shortest war so it is best to conquer you enemy as quickly as possible.
2) A cease-fire will simply allow Hezbollah to recover and re-arm. We've already seen this in action and Israel was condemed for breaking the cease-fire. The Palastinians have played this game for years.
3) The UN is a joke. What a waste of human flesh and money. Why do we continue to support this morally defunct, rudderless organization?
4) France is a joke but I've found the people to be nice and the food is great.
5) I cannot understand why the "evil" US and Israel must play by the international rules of war (don't even think about hurting civilians, broadcast your intentions so civilians can escape the fighting zone, fair treatment of captured soldiers, etc.) while everyone else does whatever they want and no one (the UN, media, etc.) cares? Hezbollah uses human shields and targets civilians and no one cares. Where is the Dateline special on using civilians as human shields? Makes you wonder why people question who's side some people are on.
And I have one question: If the cause is just and the actions honorable, then why do they need to wear masks?
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Re:Lamont/Lieberman - 2006/08/21 22:50Boomer,
Welcome back
I agree with you. It is so tiring to hear the people who have given up on the war on terrorism. And make no mistake - Hezbollah is a part of it. The UN makes me laugh because they are so ineffectual. The Gateway Pundit had a good article about Kofi Annan yesterday - it is definitely worth the read. Here is the link.
I think that article says it all.
Tomorrow is the day that Iran has promised their "multifaceted" response to the UN's demand that they stop uranium enrichment. There is quite a bit of history associated with this date. I won't take the time to write the entire story, but you can check it out at Confederate Yankee. Here are a few choice comments:
This year, Aug. 22 corresponds, in the Islamic calendar, to the 27th day of the month of Rajab of the year 1427. This, by tradition, is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to "the farthest mosque," usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back (c.f., Koran XVII.1). This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary of the world. It is far from certain that Mr. Ahmadinejad plans any such cataclysmic events precisely for Aug. 22. But it would be wise to bear the possibility in mind.
~snip~
Iranian President Ahmadinejad and the Hojjatieh movement of the ruling mullahcracy in Iran are so radical that they were banned in 1983 by Ayatollah Khomeini, and it is this sect of Shiite Islam that seek to force the return of the 12th Shiite Imam, Muhammad ibn Hasan. Followers of the three major world religions all believe that the world will one day face an End Times scenario, but only this sect feeling that forcing the hand of God is within their grasp:
...rooted in the Shiite ideology of martyrdom and violence, the Hojjatieh sect adds messianic and apocalyptic elements to an already volatile theology. They believe that chaos and bloodshed must precede the return of the 12th Imam, called the Mahdi. But unlike the biblical apocalypse, where the return of Jesus is preceded by waves of divinely decreed natural disasters, the summoning of the Mahdi through chaos and violence is wholly in the realm of human action. The Hojjatieh faith puts inordinate stress on the human ability to direct divinely appointed events. By creating the apocalyptic chaos, the Hojjatiehs believe it is entirely in the power of believers to affect the Mahdi’s reappearance, the institution of Islamic government worldwide, and the destruction of all competing faiths.
Because of the belief of the Hojjatieh that they can, with human hands, bring about Apocalypse, the significance of tomorrow's date sets up in their eyes a divine opportunity that the rest of the world would be wise to treat with all due seriousness.
Interesting - even if the 12th Imam does not appear.
Israel/Lebanon is a small part of the GWOT (BTW - you can check out my article on that particular war here.) At any rate, some young Lebanese Muslims were arrested in Germany in the last few days. They are charged with trying to blow up trains within Germany. German reaction - people on the street - has been, "We didn't go to Iraq for the war. We never thought anything like this would happen here." Oh yea - the reason the young man wanted to blow up German trains - his brother was killed in the Israel/Lebanon conflict. Normal responses to this type of war don't work.
Hey - how about the guy from Simsbury that got busted for trying to bribe government officials to take the Tamil Tigers off the terrorist list?
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Re:Lamont/Lieberman - 2006/08/30 12:59Read the article in the Hartford Advocate about the Lamont Campaign's latest stumble. Pretty interesting. It really does show that he is being supported by the ultra-left and not mainstream democrats. Pay attention to the part where the Lamont campaign worker speaks about the "ad" with the person who it was promised too. It sounds just like you are reading the Daily Kos. LOL Read it here.___________________ Talk atya L8r,
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Re:Lamont/Lieberman - 2006/09/04 19:13Here's some Nedalysis - called the Wishing Well. It's a pretty good blog, if I do say so myself. LOL___________________ Talk atya L8r,
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